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Minister Calls For Creationism In NI Museums

Unread postby dr210077 » Wed May 26, 2010 8:25 pm

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I heard about this this story this morning, basically the minister for culture art and leisure here in northern ireland has written a letter to the trustees for NI museums asking that creationism be given displays in NI museum exhibits.

I am considering writing a letter on behalf of the RSS to the Department of Culture Arts and Leisure, the Trustees for NI Museums, and the BBC, outlining the stupidity of the position of an elected minister with regard to even entertaining creationism let alone promoting it. I haven't committed myself just yet, ( the prospect actually scares the crap clean out of me!), but I feel compelled to voice concern.

What do you guys think? Should I go ahead? If so what kinds of arguments should I make? Would it be worth the effort of emailing Dawkins to see if he could lend his weight?
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Re: Minister Calls For Creationism In NI Museums

Unread postby DarthRavanger » Wed May 26, 2010 8:43 pm

Does Dawkins know how to use his email? :lol:

Anyway, Yes you should write a letter. The fact of the matter is, if a museum were to entertain the notion of creationism with an exhibit, it would give these ideas a false sense of legitimacy and deceive the public. The Museum possesses intellectual authority in relation to its customers and creation exhibits would be seen by said customers as the museum lending its intellectual authority to creationism.
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Re: Minister Calls For Creationism In NI Museums

Unread postby Jnthn44 » Wed May 26, 2010 9:02 pm

for starters, how the hell do you put Creationism in a museum? besides a giant Adam and Eve display.

in the letter, which you should totally write :P, either tell of course how ridiculous it is or that they will need to put images of EVERY creation story from EVERY religion EVER so that nobody feels left out :D

i personally am looking forward to the Scientology portion

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Re: Minister Calls For Creationism In NI Museums

Unread postby willow » Thu May 27, 2010 12:11 am

suggest a museum display on human mythology and superstitions :P creationist displays would fit perfectly in there

Sounds like a good idea DR
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Re: Minister Calls For Creationism In NI Museums

Unread postby TheBlueFalconX » Fri May 28, 2010 3:06 am

It's worth the shot. I'd say go forth with it.
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Re: Minister Calls For Creationism In NI Museums

Unread postby jscott1213 » Sat May 29, 2010 1:53 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV4m4uHQLU&playnext_from=TL&videos=CW5eVXeObeM&feature=sub

I was watching this and thought it would fit in here. It's about how Adam and Eve weren't the first humans and didn't commit incest.
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Re: Minister Calls For Creationism In NI Museums

Unread postby DarthRavanger » Sat May 29, 2010 6:57 am

jscott1213 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV4m4uHQLU&playnext_from=TL&videos=CW5eVXeObeM&feature=sub

I was watching this and thought it would fit in here. It's about how Adam and Eve weren't the first humans and didn't commit incest.
Warning - One could loose IQ points for watching... :palm:

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Re: Minister Calls For Creationism In NI Museums

Unread postby willow » Sat May 29, 2010 12:29 pm

wow, a rather long attempt to explain a 30 second rationalization of evolution... >.<

I reached the same conclusion about 5 seconds after learning about mitochondrial eve and Y chromosomal Adam.
The author is ignoring it seems the fact that our nearest common female ancestor (mitochondrial eve) came several tens of thousands of years before our nearest common male ancestor (y chromosomal adam) They never existed at the same time.

The Genesis story is just a myth about the creation of man, and more important then mans creation, about mans development or transition from animalism to thought and knowledge. It serves the same purpose as the Prometheus story from greek myth.

The author is also ignoring it seems that the bible has TWO versions of genesis which are mutually exclusive.
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Re: Minister Calls For Creationism In NI Museums

Unread postby UnwantedSunbeam » Mon May 31, 2010 6:49 am

Perhaps we should draft a letter as a group? Although if they insist on adding creationism to the museum should we not ask for all genres of this to be included, and not just present a one sided christian view?

Personally I think that it is a deflection tactic, there must be another reason that this is being pushed.

The real pity of this is that with religion come politics and the museum was always a great place to leave all that bollocks at the door.
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Re: Minister Calls For Creationism In NI Museums

Unread postby dr210077 » Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:39 pm

Draft Letter wrote:Dear Madame/Sir,

After hearing about the recommendation that Northern Ireland museums should give any room to exhibits which preach factually devoid nonsense such as creationism, by certain elected members of the community, I felt compelled to write and express my deepest concern. One only needs to point out the quite succinct and devastating broadside, levelled at the Kansas State school board in the 90's, to see just how ridiculous and damaging this kind of idiocy is for any society, let alone a society in recovery from just the kind of religiously fuelled evils our society is beginning to emerge from. As such I would like to lend my own personal support for the dedication to truth and relaying truth, that museums in Northern Ireland are so accomplished at achieving. Furthermore, I also lend the support of an international community in the form of the Rational Skeptics Society, who upon hearing of the unwarranted and unjustified political pressure being applied to an educational organisation of such importance, immediately were vocal about the over-stepping of the mark of some of our politicians.

Yours sincerely

David Rodgers


That is the first draft of the letter to the NI museums board. Any improvements or alterations are welcome.
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