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Re: I've finally had it, it's time to discuss this problem

Unread postby HalloweenWeed » Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:21 pm

Wow shawna 8-) , you showed a lot of class with your answer. Many others would have come back with a very angry answer. I really respect your opinions much more now (I respected them before too). (Insert "thumbs up" smilie here) Well done, shawna.
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Re: I've finally had it, it's time to discuss this problem

Unread postby willow » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:35 pm


This is somewhat what I meant when I said that we have a problem with the focus on gender and minorities issues while ignoring the male or white male population.

http://www.livescience.com/culture/0907 ... ssues.html

"Boys' issues are being neglected, whereas girls' issues have been addressed for over 20 years, with great success," said Kleinfeld, a professor at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks. "Now it's time to turn our attention to boys."...

Kleinfeld finds that, compared with girls, American boys have lower literacy rates, lower grades, less engagement during school and higher drop-out rates. Boys also have higher rates of suicide, arrests and premature death...

"I, like Dr. Kleinfeld, don’t want to say that one [gender] has more problems than the other," said William S. Pollack, the director of the Centers for Men and Young Men at McLean Hospital/Harvard Medical School. "But it tends to be boys whose deeper problems are not looked into, and for whom programs that exist are not funded...that’s absolutely true."...

One of the most urgent issues, says Kleinfeld, is boys' writing. She looked at scores from the National Tests of Educational Progress, and found that boys' scores are far below those of girls. For 12th grade students, about 26 percent of boys had scores at the "below basic" writing level, while only 11 percent of girls were in this category. The situation is similar for younger boys. In 8th grade, 17 percent of males scored below basic while just 7 percent of females scored at this level...

In her review, she cites data from the National Center for Health Statistics to show the "alarming" suicide rate among boys. From 1995 to 2005, the rate of suicide among 20 to 24 year-old boys was 20.7 suicides per 100,000, while the rate for girls was just 3.5 per 100,000. Among 15 to 19 year olds, the rates were 12.5 per 100,000 for boys and 2.8 per 100,000 for girls...

Kleinfeld notes that while there have been many federal, state and school district programs targeted towards addressing girls' issues, there have not been many such programs for boy

and from http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/ ... _boys.html

In a finer analysis of that data, Kleinfeld found that 23 percent of white sons of college-educated parents scored below basic, up from 13 percent in 1992. (Among girls with white, college-educated parents, only about 6 percent fall into the below-basic category.)

This was the point I was trying to make, in all the effort to solve the issues surrounding women, and the problems that they face being disadvantaged in society we tend to ignore the fact that we are ignoring half the population. We ignore white males because its a white mans world, and women are the ones who are dissadvantaged. I'm not trying to say that minorities dont face issues or that they have an easier time or anything like that, rather that we have issues as well which are often denied or ignored and sidelined, often in an attempt do address the issues prevailing minorites.
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Re: I've finally had it, it's time to discuss this problem

Unread postby UnwantedSunbeam » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:27 pm

Discrimination be it positive or negative is always a massive issue. It is piss that our societies have become so weak that most people try to live a least offensively as possible.

It is slightly off topic but I think it shows an example of how crazy we have become. When I was a school if another boy annoyed you then you fought. Few punches some kicking, some ground work that, on hindsight could be gay porn, but then it was done. Some one wins some one lost, 99% of the time you were friends and a new social rank was established. However now kids are not allowed to fight, so the anger and fury builds up. Then it explodes, we get school shootings, suicides.

Anyway this clip by Clint sums up how it should be:
One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know", Alice answered. "Then", said the cat, "It doesn't matter.”
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Re: I've finally had it, it's time to discuss this problem

Unread postby Intercourseman72 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:04 pm

Meh, school fighting and school shootings usually result from the same thing. Kids have no power and no way to challenge authority without getting into trouble when it comes to the authority of teachers and administration, but when it comes to each other, they can impose dominance and exercise power that had been imposed upon them for so many years.

When kids feel they have absolutely no outlet or recourse and they go to school... yeah. some people are going to die. shootings and killing sprees are very rare though if you consider how many schools there are and how many students there are. Also, there is a lot of turf warfare among schools as well. Yet another product of the war on drugs.

I would prefer that kids go ahead beat each other up than let it keep building up, but both behaviors result from the same thing. Schools resemble prisons too strongly not just for my tastes.
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